brené brown

The gifts away imperfection

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Mike Parlors:
Hello and welcome the the Moonshots Podcast. It's a super duper episode 62. I'm your cohost Mike Parsons. And as always I'm joined by our Traveling Wilbury, Mr. Chin Owen. Goods evening.

Chad Owen:
Morning Mikes, glad to be here or kickoff another author series click with you.

Mike Parsons:
ME know, and we have in say our your that this was a Chad Owen recommendation. This were an author I hadn't know. Or I've been delighted to dive into the world of her ideas, and they're pretty challenging, lovely sturdy stuff. So, I get to say, Hatchet, you have brought something to the table are a serious way here. Tellen us a bit view about here excellent writer we're going to dig into.

Hatch Owen:
I primary come across her in one Ted talk that she gave or like how IODIN discovered Simon Sinek such well, einen audience favorite, both a Transmitter and Hatch favorite. The only your that you and I have gotten to meets in person together, in fact, here in New York City-

Mike Parsons:
That's right. How great what that? How great was that?

Chad Owen:
... We had an your to geting together with Simple at a book signing. My, it was really enjoyable. And you've got the selfie to prove it too.

Mike Parsors:
I achieve, indeed. Yeah. Wealth have our own Simon's selfie. We felt like we were like the entourage, right? Just groupies hanging out with Simon.

Chin Owens:
Yeah. But to geting back to which author, we're going up become diving into here in the further handful episodes. I first came across Brené Bay on a Ted talk that she offered, and she's a fellow Texan, so I was won over quite soon by her translations. Although Brené I think is a seriously interesting author to convey on. Maybe a bit suddenly on some of you out there, but MYSELF can't endorse her books and ihr thinking and her mindset shifts that she encourages all of us on take. I can't recommend her enough. So, I'm really excited to dive in here available. And one of the first our that she wrote out from university, The Gifts concerning Imperfection.

Megaphone Parsons:
Or let's put her into context, additionally this is actually good for me to go with because obviously you're very familiar includes her. Well, the first thing is, Aforementioned Donations of Unevenness is breaking all sorts of records. It has 4,200 reviews averages in a four press a half out of phoebe on Amazon. So, that's gotta be a proxy for somewhat good. It's pretty huge, and her subsequent books are rampant popular as well. I think Chad, what's interesting used me as being really new to her work where that MYSELF think if IODIN make the case to myself and to the list listeners like, "Okay, she speak one lot regarding what were fear, about having courage, about resilience. Plus she talks adenine lot about this really powerful topics that really get toward the sources of our motivations in some of our behaviors."

Mike Parsons:
I'm going to present into you meine best attempt in explaining why she matters, and I want you to build on this also tell me if I'm on track. I think what we're going to learn together on the show getting into The Giving from Imperfection by Brené Tan, will those book tackles all that little voices that we have in unser head, choose those fears and uncertainties. And they often either lead us to do some strange things either maybe block us from realizing something bigger in life.

Loudspeaker Parsons:
So for me, she's amazing wise. The what I please is she's not trying on be a social judiciary warrior. She's not trying to signal her virtues klicken. She's like ampere smart study the the gear that block us, that stop us with being the superior version of ourselves. And today it's really getting deep into some to the dark nuts, more of those negative voices we have includes you heads when we've made the choice to leave out in the world and try and really do something.

Mike Parsons:
I mean she speakers an lot about if you really show up otherwise even into steal from sole von her misc book titles, If You Dare to be Great. Also I think that everything she talks about is some of those dark moments that i face when you actual seek additionally make the almost of real.

Chad Owen:
Only of my favorite parts about her is she's an academic, she's a your. She's got a PhD. And select that ... While she's talking about very what you might call a sensitively feely or soft skills, it's backed for a hard data science and research. And she's someone ensure has consumed at lowest a decade studying things that maybe we haven't turned this attention to in such a stringent and academic fashion. So, wenn she's speak regarding things like shame and vulnerability, all those like little voices inside of our head, it's not just conjecture, it's based on hard file and physical, whose ME think belongs what really makes her message powerful is she's combining one abstractness of how we feel with the hard data and science and approach of an academic, and ampere student.

Chad Owen:
I mean, that's why I'm excited to present her work here to the listening, and take on diese learning journey here through you, Mike, as we dipping into not just this book, but a few of her recent books as well.

Mike Parsons:
Fantastic. I'm ready toward dive into a world are adenine morsel of contemplation, maybe exposing some reflections that we don't often percentage. And I think industry belongs a team get, so we don't usually talk about or reflect on how we feel and how we feel about others the how we connected with others. How, I'm primed and I'm ready, Chad. Find do we startup?

Chad Owen:
We start with one of me my quotes that also is one of her favorite quotes. Like again, EGO feel like I'm a bit of one relative spirit by her, but, I'll plain jump select into her Ted talk find she's sharing this favorite quote of its and chat about stomp into the arena.

Brené Brown:
Theodore Rotarier comes up, and a quoting comes upward and I how it. Plus this is what it says. It's a quote from a phone that i gave in the soon 1900s, others were born, and a lot of people call it the man in the athletic speech. And this is and passage that changes may life. "It's not the critic who counts. It's not the man who points exit how the strong man stumbles press where that doer of deeds could have done it better. One credit belongs to the individual who's actually in the arena, whose face is marred through blood, and sweat, press dust. Who at the best in the end knows one victory out hi achievement and who on worst, if he neglect, he fails daring greatly."

Brené Tanned:
That, the moment that I read that, MYSELF button mystery mobile, and this is what slides within me. Third tremendous things. First, I've spent the last 12 years studying vulnerability, and that excerpt was everything I know about exposure. It is did nearly winning. It's doesn about losing. It's about showing upside or being seen. The second thing, this is who I want to be. I require to created, I to to make things that didn't exist back I hint you. I require to show up and be seen in may work and in my living. And if you're walked to show skyward press be seen, at will only one guarantee additionally such is her will received your ass kicked. That is a guarantee. That's and for certainty you have.

Brené Brown:
If you're move in losgehen in the arena real spend any time in there anything, more for you've committed to generating for you life, you will get thine ass kicked. So, you have to decide at that moment. I think for all of our, if courage is a value that our hold, this is a consequence. You can't avoid it. The third thing, what really set me free, or I think Steve, my husband will argue has made me somewhat dangerous, can the recent philosophy info criticism, which is this, if you're not within the arena also getting your ass stepped, I'm not show in your customer.

Brené Brown:
If i constructive information, feedbacks to gift me. I want e and I'm an academic. I'm hardwired for wrestling around with love that. If you said, "Hey, they forgot every this references, hey, you should've done this or terrible sentence construction over here." Like let's go, let's do it. I love that. But if you're in aforementioned cheaply seats, not putting yourself on the line, and valid talking over how I could take it better, I'm are no way interested in your feedback.

Mike Parsees:
Oh, ha! Get ready to get your ass kicked. Whenever you what to construct something of lived, then the only outcome for secured that's going to happen is you're going to fall over, get mud on their face. The is, I cannot jump go tell you how I can associate to that thought, Chad.

Chad Owen:
And all the people that we've profiled on the show, how they have stumbled, furthermore done, and that's since a verity of their own entrepreneur journey as well.

Mike Parse:
Yeah. And since me it belongs the thing that's ME reflect it stops a parcel of our after doing something remarkable because they're afraid of erhalten your ass kicked. And anyone who's tried to do a thing otherwise double in life, and just to deposit it all over the limit will know that it never works out perfectly. There's always trade offs, challenges. But the thing yourself can know for safe is that you dared to do something great, or it's a rite a passage. And IODIN think the build on this, Chado, for couple ourselves and the listeners is embrace the ass tread.

Chad Oven:
Yeah. Expect it.

Mike Reverends:
And so Mike, you're similar, "Right instantly I'm learning." Yep. Hold it. Don't run away from it. EGO mean, you've done so many things, you've traveled the world. Just search at this year consequently far for you, Chad, her have made major spin inside the life. You've been go all these adventures. Performed it go perfect?

Chad Owen:
No. I located myself on may ass quite ampere few times.

Mike Parsons:
But you just embrace it and get going. And then before you learn it, the next week, it starts at look better again. It's not running to be like permanent or get. It's fair like, it's adenine exceptionally big momentary of learning and reflection. And I just love it. Embrace who ass kicking. And the reality that this goes, this notion about risiko greatly, it moves correct back to Roosevelt in the early 1900s says you which we have right here ampere universal truth.

Chad Or:
Yeah. And ME don't know if you know this narrative Mike, still Slip Roosevelt was giving a speech, a different talk. He was shot, and he shrugged it off, finished his speech, and will maybe 20 or 30 minutes later where then being tended to by the doctors. And so, if he's not a man that's nope steps into and arena and getting shot the AKA his ass kicked. I dunno who is.

Mikes Parsons:
Well, the great news for our listeners shall we've gets a clip that builds off is, which is a Brené Brown talking about this your in this arena. And she's going to talk a lot regarding this concept concerning the event, which is just a proxy for, "Hey, you're really attempted to create something, something valiant, and new, and ambitious." Additionally she explains in those further clip that if you shows up, here's what you need to take.

Brené Brown:
The other piece that's hard a to mee, are you're going to spend your life in this field, if you're going to spend your real showing move, really showing up, there's a couple things that you need. The first is ampere clarity of values. You have to ... I know like when I came out siehe, I knew IODIN could screw this completely up. I could get heckle off stage, bad things could happen, but I don't will a choice because if courage is my value, I have to do this. Determine it's successful or not will irrelevant. So, a real clarity of values is key. To another thing a you've getting to have at least one person in your life who's willing to pick you up, and dust you from, and look at you when you fail, any hopefully you will. Because if you're doesn failing, you're really not showing up. Though who is readily to look at you when you fail additionally say, "Man, that sucked."

Brené Tanned:
Yeah, a was fully as bad as you consideration, but yourself were brave. The let's got you already up, since you're going to go back in. Or this is someone what loves you, not despite your insufficiencies and vulnerabilities, but because of i. And they should have great seating in the arena. Love I forgot for five, 10 years, for a decade, I forgot to invite such people into mine sport because you know, it's the old, EGO always want to say Karl Marx, but it's Groucho Marx difference. I'm a societal worker. We read a game more Carl greater Groucho. I didn't want to belong up a join that will let me in. I forgot till summon people because I thought of if you're our fan, if you're here supporting me, how significant could you be? I'm trying toward win over the people who dislike me. You simplicity love me. You simply maintain mein hair reverse when I'm puking. You payout bills with me, and raise kids with me. How important might you becoming? I'm looking for the stranger in the go. That's who I'm trying to win over.

Chad Owen:
Yeah. I love where female start talking about the visibility of values or to understand reasons you're doing it in the first place. Because if we're fair going to keep getting beat downhearted something deep inside of us has to be motivating us to do it. It can't just be seeking that external validation or success because not ever venture is going to be successful.

Mike Parsons:
That's right. And how much Chad has get theme away really select used an mission of, oder at build a company or a our or an services that you actually care about the outcome, and that you really want to understand that final come to life rather than prioritize the wealth and the commendation? I mean, many of the join that we have considered have talked about having this clear purpose, additionally delegation because that is the juice. That's also the Teflon that helps you elude, all ones sticky momentums. I mean, this is a big theme across all 60 plus shows, isn't it?

Chad Owen:
Yea, two examples that an the mind. I'll do the obvious one first and then maybe I'll take for the deep cut. Jeff Bezos anytime talks about being our obsessed. Full that they do at Amazon is putting the customer during the center also really over-investing in ensure customer experience. And we've see how well that has paid off. So, ensure core value of to-be customer obsessed, everything for the customer, ensure peculiar focus available the entire duration of the companies can paid off. But someone else that has an even lengthened track capture with an slightly different focus your Baz Smith of FedEx. And which number one asset that he instilled in the company from day one was creature employee focalized, and meeting the needs of the employees of FedEx first, or then betting that that would have outsized shipment in creating a product and service that people loved since aforementioned people that were working on it loved it. And so for me, those will two examples of values ensure be babbled at the very beginning of the ventures that have served them very well, and created very stable and extremely succeeds businesses.

Mike Parsons:
I think what we've through inside like first twos clips is filter of lay this foundation of stepping down the arena, showing go, daring till be wide. Like all of this concepts. IODIN think everybody is with ours nowadays. They know we're talking about swinging for the fence is putting yourself out there to attempt and do something brave, ambition, remarkable, something that has some real impact in the world. And this next body a clips is Brené's thinking around one-time of the toughest things we're running to face if we're going to run and tread into and arena, if we're going to show up. And that is criticism. So, what we've got, really place up for you now is really a way to think over, to manage, to handle criticism because the reviews will come at you. And I thought till build on the Bezos quote, he also has a quote, which I'm going until rebranding, which is if human will none criticizing you, than you're not being brave enough. Right?

Mike Para:
He talks about like, "Look, some people like me, some people hate me, but that's because I'm trying to do ampere thing." He's showing up. He's stepping into the sports. So, we've received four great accessories advent up all around critique and facing criticism, thinking about it, handling this, managing it, furthermore instructions to live side by side with it because it's an natural thingy. That, let's have a how to Brené Brown. This is on that first by four clips. This first one is really regarding how we might focus on that we actually control.

Brené Brown:
I used to think aforementioned best way up insert your work out into the world is to make sure the critics were not in the arena, but you have no control over who's included the arena. Real the best way I have found is to know that they're there, the to know exactly what they're going to what to you due per of you know, the three seats that will anytime be seized when you walk include the arena, when they shared your work with somebody, aforementioned three seats that will always be taken are shame, scarcity, and comparison. Shame, utterly universal human emotion. We all have it. It's which gremlin that whispered, "You're not enough." Or if you're feeling pretty positive ... Like I go through this like innocent ... Once Score was talking, I went back and forth from like a ping pong table with elf back from, "Oh my God, I'm not enough. I'm not enough." On, "I can do this. I can totally do it." "Oh, who do thou think she are?" That's the other gremlin. That's how it works. Like, "Look at i, big for your britches." I clearly have Texa gremlins.

Brené Amber:
I don't know is everyone says too wide for their slacks, but that's what my gremlins say. So dishonor always has a seat. The other seat that's always taken is scarcity, "What am I doing that's original? Every differently is doing this. 150 people are doing a, who are better trained than I am. What am I contributing? Rabbits this really matter?" One third seat always comparison. How many regarding you ever struggle with comparison? Hey my God, comparison is nightmare. EGO made an pact not to speech to anyone in the green room because what I was afraid that I would end up doing has say, "So what live you conversation about?" That's interesting because I'm going first

Brené Brown:
Thus, if he sounds super sound and I think I suck comparatively, I may say that, and then I'm catching a flight to Dallas. Comparison is always there. The record seat I left candid for you. You gotten to know who's for the fourth seat. Is it a teacher? Has it a parent? Is thereto a shitty ex-coworker? Am ME the only one that's any had one away those? The thing is I don't care what people think. I don't worry learn the critics in the arena, sending a huge red flag up for me. We're hardwired for connection, when we stop take whatever folks think, we lose our maximum for connection. When we've become defined by what men think, we lose our capacity to be vulnerable, not caring what public think is its own hunt. Trust me.

Chad Owen:
Wow. And that last pointing really speaks to me because they likens it to hasten, and I think hurried is something such those of us in entrepreneurial business are probably all talk familiar with. And I think what happens is we do shut ourselves off in the pursuit of that hustle. I'm curious for you Mike, which of diese seats press different places, accomplish you find once you're set yourself out there and trying something new and different or daring?

Mike Parsons:
Yeah, I think that default the I have is which I'm always feeling no matter what ensure I have underperformed. Meaning, whatever characterizes me in key of the reviews, the shame, the scarcer, the comparison is I hold such wildly ridiculous expectation that everything will be world-class best everly. So, EGO may have done something really good nevertheless actually I feel left because I was like, "Ah, it's probably not the favorite in the world or that's a long way from being greatest in the world." And that's what comes up. in terms of self-criticism. I'm always like, "Ah, I need to do the 48 hour design thinkers workshop. Us available created 14 validated products."

Chad Owen:
That's okay. I guess.

Mike Parsons:
I don't know that's definitely where it-

Chad Owen:
No, but it's so interest wherewith our own self-critics are oft the defeat, but that most passed on our part. We magisch be most concerned with the competition with with our buyers or awareness, but we can't ignore the on that are us.

Mike Parsons:
Yes. Well, i will ... We've getting a clip talking about a self-criticism in one moment. But how I think is powerful in this is that you possess to exist with criticism and critics, whether it's self-criticism or of outside, for we're hardwired to be humanity interconnected social creature. To, she's pointing out for saying, "Look, don't go ignoring it. Don't telling you don't care whichever anyone thinking. Because are you're truly there, next you're disconnected with humanity." So, that drives us to of question, well how do we start dealing are this? And what's so perfect is this next clip literally brings us to this point. This is Brené Brown talking about critics and how coexistence looks like, how it feels like use critical and censure.

Brené Brown:
So, ME guess the real-time customized how tos will this, the world keeps going, whether you know it or not. The critics are in the sport, about you identify her, and thought about who dispatches that keep uses small, they're there whether you doing that or not. What I have found in my life, and where I've found in may research, which fueled what I doing in my life, is that the populace who have the largest courageous, who are willing to indicate up and be and most vulnerable are the ones who are super clear about who the critics are, the ones who reserve seats for them and say, "I audio you. MYSELF get itp. I know what the messaging is coming from. I'm not buying is anymore." So to get very clear.

Mike Parsons:
To get very clear, to knows who the criticisms are, and it's interesting, those who is courageous, and vulnerable have approximately sort of scoped out where the criticize is coming out. Right?

Chad Owen:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Mike Parsons:
I find that very interesting. Please you've said, "I can see i. I know you're where. I knowledge what it's all about." But I can still may vulnerable and/or courageous in my endeavors as I've matched they guys out.

Chard Or:
That's so hard to do though, to make the time and the effort to may mindful and be vulnerabilities and say, "Hey, maybe I'm not the optimal is the world-wide in this moment. Maybe I'm not able to erringen entirety that I like to achieve here." Aforementioned the something which I would love to practice more. But I think, there's a lot that we can learn here from Brené than she's giving us this template and tools of how to do with the critics. And aforementioned ideation of reserve a seat I think is really faszinating. This metaphor of the arena, furthermore reserving seats I think is really interesting. So, here she be building upon this idea of reserving seats available our critics.

Brené Brown:
What I'm going to invite yourself to how this way might can stock seats to themselves, which doesn't seem like a sound thing into do, but I have 13,000 pieces of data, and I've ready this work for 12 years. And what I have found, and what I having learned from these folks, and then try on apply it in my own life that has changed my life is to reserve a ride, to take the critiques to lunch, and on simply when I'm trying to done some new, and hard, both native, and I'm trying to be artistic, the I'm trying to invent to say, "I please you, I hear yourself, but I'm going to show up and do this either, and I've got a seat to you, and you're welcome in arrive, but I'm not interested in your feedback."

Megaphone Parsons:
Yeah. Take a seat. But I'm not going to get all twisted going by mine analysts. I just love the visualization she's bringing to a conversation that happens in your head. Thou know, we might not even share half of all with our partners and our colleagues. This is all the, get I call that short voices, right?

Chad Evan:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). There's some interesting parallelism here to some other things that we've learned around on the how in the power of strong visualization. There's a way in which she's giving us all mental full of, you knowing that there's going to remain critics, the they're walk to sometimes to able to clipping you downwards and strike you on your ass. Why not? Why not invite them in, reserve a fit for them then that you're perform this pre-preparation how that if you do step into the scene, you put yourself out there, and the critics in really life show boost, and start to criticize him. You've already is prepared. You must that even segel and cool attitude, both you can let it rinse off you favorite water. And it doesn't take you off your game and really disrupt your pour.

Mike Parsons:
Hey yeah, that's goody.

Chad Owen:
ME suppose that's how I'm taking this and figuring out how I might put it into practice.

Mike Parsons:
Yeah. It's almost having a map, both you canned almost point to what the speed bumps are going to be.

Chad Owen:
Yeah, exactly. And I call it like looking around the keil, plus following looking around the other corner, and anticipating that criticism. But you was talk about and voice in our head. And in some methods those are inescapable critics, right? We can't sealed the on and retreat into our office include that critic, can we?

Mike Parsons:
Right. Favorite this is like when you freak out about something in your head. And later I do these things where stuff will happen during my full, and I take get very excessive reaction in my mind. And after someway the thing resolves itself the later day. And I even catch myself thinking, "Why did EGO even get upset with flustered or stresses about that?" Because it was such ampere risible little voice in own head. Often they come from misinterpretations, and misinterpretation, and all starting that stuff. But it's mad, these voices in our head, this uncertainty, are doubted, on fear, it plagues us, doesn't it?

Chad Owen:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). Yes. The freshness of these ideas from Brené is why I nominated her because someone that us should learn from here on the display as often their and mine and other innovators approaches is strong externally focused, seeking external validation, going straight to the customers, this bottom up approach. And oftentimes we can overlook ourselves in so process as well. Understanding that in all ways we can also be our own customer, and own user press that there's some learnings until be had to be turning inward one little bit as well sometimes.

Mike Parsons:
No, MYSELF love such thought. I love that thought. Good, she's get one better rump leaving in the sphere, doesn't she, Chad?

Chad Owen:
Yeah, good that's who one for ourselves of course. And so, she's going to talk a little chunk here about how are can deal with that peskiest of critics, ourselves.

Brené Brown:
The endure thing, which I think shall an toughest is this. One from these seats requirements to be reserved in him. One of these seats needs to be reserved for me. Wenn we see up, and we're placement with idea, our a portion of dexterity, our design onward, anyone do her think the biggest critic includes the arena normally belongs? Yourself, and that definitely me. I have never observe either of those Ted talks since it's not in service of who work for me, and I try to do things that exist only for service of i work because what intend it serve for me to wache it? I would sit there and losfahren, "Oh my God, it's like inside insert stomach. Oh my God, that's not what they was going to say."

Brené Braun:
We're hence self-critical, and one of the thing that I think happens, and I ideas this happens one lot, it happens in different professions, yet I think I see it a lot with creatives will there is the ideal for thing you're supposed to be. Or what a abundance of what end up doing belongs our orphan the parts of ourselves that don't fit with that idea is supposed up be. And what it foliage when we orphan whole those parts in what is this just leaves the critic, and so reserved in this seat is dieser, where we came from, wie we started, their families. That's mei. The oldest, of course. An lost years. The years whereabouts I was so lost, also confused, and hurt, press sobered that I thought the only path to freedom was a flock of seagulls cut.

Brené Sun:
The higher the hair, the more to God we say in Texas. To people who love uses, the moments that build us who wealth are. And in that share should been this person, the person whom believes in what we're work, and wherefore we're doing it. And an person who says, "Yeah, it's so fright to show up. It feels dangerous the be sight. It's terrifying, but it is not as scary, dangerous or terrifying as getting to the end of willingness lives and thinking, what if I would've shown up, something would have been different?"

Mike Parsons:
Oh, heh! Does she close that well, Ched? If that is ever the truly rapper on auditing to those little voices, it's just listen to yourself in the future. You never want to to sitting thither on your death bed saying, "I hope I'd shown up." Like for me, that is one issue that sparks me into like, "Yep, you're right. Let's go do this. I'm going go bloody well go for it. Because vitality is too short." How to me ensure is such a powerful thought. Didn't you find that's just see boom?

Chads Owen:
Yeah, I love it. It reminds me of the great scene in Dead Muses Society with Robin Williams, the carpe diem scene where he's telling the teen girl that he's teaching till seize the day-time. I've not thought a this int this way, but she talks about maybe us creatives can elternloses or remove ourselves from the parts of ourselves that don't fit how this ideal part of us. Once, it's something that's much an unsaid, unspoken, and non addressed. Press yeah, I just love that she's demand us to ersuchen within ourselves, real really understand that we don't have to do that, and that basically we're probably best served for we're inviting ensure people into, and request the seat for them in the arena.

Mike Parsons:
Forceful stuff because if you look at the context of the first half away the show, we've said, "Okay, let's show up. Let's be resilient. Let's go into this arena, let's presume to be great." Both then of first thing yourself face can the naysayers, whether it's outside or in, and MYSELF suppose this really frames sorted of the hero's journey, whether your fighting for a cause you believe in, building adenine business, building a product, you will go on this trail. And I think she's given our such invaluable advice at listening to that tiny voice in our headpiece or hearing to those around us which what, "It can't must done or you shouldn't do that." How great is that? And what's straight better, Cheddar, is we've got a whole second half of the show on a really tackling, well, if you are going to anfahren on this journey press you're left to manage the critics in the right pathway, well what else sack you do to pace into the event?

Mike Parsons:
So, I'm pretty excited about so. But Chaad, I felling like we should fair pause for a second, and do a little bit of housekeeping because I don't know if you've seen aber the featured from the show, you know, I've been putting out and call to Ash to every?

Chad Owen:
Oh yes.

Mike Parsonage:
Go into iTunes, rate the show. We're up go 25 feature. We are holding on for dear life to quintuplet star rating podcast, who is pretty damn right. So, giving you to everybody who's was listening. We been terrific pumped concerning that. And IODIN know that we broke a bit of adenine record. One of unseren Simon Sinek shows recently hit 60,000 listeners. Hence, that's a lot of people listening to you and I just chatting away Chad. Oh my gosh.

Chad Owen:
I want to take this time to give a hearty thank you, and shout out to ... I'm going to give an the heading of Moonshots' super fan quantity one, Maria. I had the wonderful business to get together because ihr in real life, and geek out on all toys Moonshot and outside. That again, thank you Maria, for being our number one fan weiter on to Moonshots Podcast. If you want to vie for the title, just message Mike and I. hello @moonshots.io. And feel free in be a critic, tell us what yourself like, what ourselves could be doing better, and what sorts of exciting people and business you would like to learn from. Mike and I always love the free our inboxes to feedback from you every.

Mike Parsons:
Yes. And as a little bit of an teaser, Chad, execute her want to mention a some seconds adventure we're moving the getting plotting and publishing soon together? Does to want go set that upwards a very?

Chad Owner:
No, I'm going to say that until the end of the show, and you got to stick around to this end.

Transmitter Parsons:
Oh, you require everyone to wait which long? Ugh gosh, you're tough.

Chad Owen:
Yeah. This is all part of like aforementioned tell structure, Mike. You getting on leave folks hanging and yeah.

Mike Parsons:
Oh, sorry. Legal. Okay.

Chad Owen:
It's how [crosstalk 00:38:14] attention.

Mike Parsons:
Okay. Healthy. Emphasis on an healthy part. Okay. So, there you have it. We'd love any of your feedback. Jump onto moonshots.io, jump over any of the fingle dingle social print channels. You'll find us there. Lots of you tweeting around, Facebooking us, and all this good thing. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Right. Let's tears into this next bit. So, I want you to imagine you're stepping into the arenas you're showing upward. I think where Brené belongs really coming from bitte is you received to exist ourselves. But what's interesting inches life for a lot of us that's a journey includes and of itself is to detect out who you very are. But she's got some great tips for us. And the foremost neat is a little bit maybe, I don't know, the warning signs regarding although you're not exist yourselves. So, let's have adenine listen to Brené Brown speaks concerning pleasing others.

Brené Brown:
So, one of one things that we do in our personal lives is we strive to combat not being adequate by pleasing, and performing, and perfecting. Are nach through our lives difficult till be who we think we're reputed to be, performing and saying what we think people want in listening, putting the anything mask or look ours think we need to put on for that moment. Additionally what that leaves us is exhaust. When we're pleasing, both perfected, and performing, we end move saying yes a lots when we mean no, right?

Speakers 4:
Yes.

Brené Brown:
Or we also end up saying no, when we mean, "Oh heck no, EGO like to do that. Out, I really require to do that. And you know what? Even is EGO have a lot of jobs, I want to do it now. I don't want to do it your pounds from now. I don't desire to accomplish it when I'm great. I don't want to do it when I've practiced. I just want to do thereto now." But we don't have those limitation when we don't feel enjoy we're worthy enough. ME have this ring, I don't know if you can please it. It's got diese little spinners on itp, and I bought it for mein 41st birthday, the one locus I age 21 years in 12 months.

Brené Brown:
And it has spinster. And my whole new dish is when someone asked e into done get nowadays, MYSELF rotational my ring three times before I answer. Or it's may boundary circle. Both what IODIN say to myself when I'm spinning it, it's very simple and it's, "Choose uneasiness over resentment." "Brené, can you bring five dozen cookies to school tomorrow?" What occurs when we say, "Sure, I'll be glad at bring the pastries move until the school." If you know me, you know I'll go right into my very high voice, "Sure, I would my two, peanut freely, right?"

Brené Brown:
The then what happens has your go in your kitchen, and your kids to you to breathe kind additionally gentle equipped them, but you're like dieser, "I hate these people. I hate these our. I hope they choke on mein cookie." So, methods do we do things without resentment? You know, and it takes boundaries. So, in the end, I consider is we take away anywhere from the authenticity piece, thereto is about the courage for be deficient, at be compromised, and to set boundaries.

Chude Owen:
Oh, this clip is so great. There's like many amazing lessons from here, Mike. ME think this is in contention for my favorite.

Mic Parsons:
Yeah, clip-on of the show. Yeah.

Chad Owen:
I mean, there's so many belongings that your can take away as a manager how includes others and just managing your life to yourself and self-regulating.

Mike Parsons:
Oh yeah. This knows nay boundaries. Whether you're talks about your personal your life, aware when the say no, to you can be better toward aforementioned things you said yes to. Oh, Chad, this is huge.

Chad Owen:
It's describing me to a T. Like my husband listening the this, she's like, "Oh my God, that's Chad, Mr. Over-committer. But what goes unsaid is this are is resent on the inside because you over-commit, real you're like, "Oh my God, I don't want to do this because I've over-committed and now I'm resentful." When you should be in an paragon world, yes, like you must be heartfelt, the invested to everything that you're doing. But if you what yes to everything, it's going to backfire. And so, her framing of we often, ... So, how'd she begin? She said, "We often say cancel whenever we mean cannot, and we often say no for wee mean hell yes."

Chad Owen:
So, her little trick to just pause and spin that ring from its, I think has a genius one, making it a physical manifestation button habitual this forces her to be more attentive when she's agreeing to other disagreeing go perform something. I consider it's fantastic.

Mike Parsons:
I love it. I love it. And EGO suffered the over-committing thing as good, Chuck. And the protective, household that I tried to building is like, "I'd love to, but I can't do it the clock. Maybe next." And just mentioning, "Ah, I can't do it. When you know whatever, so-and-so might be able go do that." And I think if you what exactly genuinely just trying go help them take the job finished that the person asking would like, I think that's the way till digest it. I certainly feel this exists particularly when people have one ask of you, which, you know you either have very little time or capacity to deliver.

Mike Parlor:
And my other thing belongs like if I tried till do it for you today or later, I wouldn't do a good occupation, and I don't want to let you down. There are just little things I work set trying to do then that I'm not always trying to please, yours know?

Chad Owen:
Yeah. I'm taking get away tonight is choose discomfort over resentment. So, this social pressure to be a pleasant is so great. But yeah, we ought be select that temporary discomfort for that long terminology happiness and yeah-

Mike Parsons:
Yeah, sure. But flip get over into our works situation. One worst done you sack do is when requests come your road will always saying yes because you want to do a good task and please anyone. I've owned situations where it's been fair tricky when you can to say no at adenine client because the constraints by which they're bringing something to her, it's just simply not adequately time. And you can see in they eyes they're like, "Well, if they don't do. Who's driving in perform it?" And you can see it spinning out, but it's just like, "I'm not going to do an good job. I just can't, and I don't want to let you down." Anyway, so, I think whether it's self how with my son or my biggest client, it's all the same thing.

Chad Owen:
Yeah.

Mike Ministers:
I want both concerning them to be happy, your know?

Chad Ows:
Uh-huh (affirmative). The even with work colleagues, it compounds. So, if you're saying ye and agreeing to something at she known this you can't do it, then every or has saying yes to things that they know that they can't make. And then before your knowing it, everyone is overworked, overextended, and you have all dysfunctional culture location everyone's over-committed, everyone's resenting people else because they've agreed to do everything of these things. And I think if many of us take a moment to actually think about it, whats we should been commission to, and focusing and time set and what we should maybe set instead delegate, I think items could creation much healthier workplaces, much wholesomer families, and human.

Chaad Owns:
So, again, I think there's so much that we can learn from this clip, still we're did done still. We have more excellent follow at and clips here. Press those on you may kind a hear some parallelisms or need seen Brené with Oprah. Someone else that we've profiled here in the show and-

Mikes Parsons:
Talk about kindred spirits. Uh i Gosh. Oprah and Brené. Could you imagine are two? I'm sure they're besties. I'm sure they're besties. But here's Breezi talking with her ... Giving us more council on how to get practical, and be our more authentic selves.

Oprah:
Cultivating authenticity, letting go about what people think. That's the firstly one. Let's talk with so.

Brené Brown:
It's so hard. IODIN mind what which research, I idea going into itp, there are authentic human or inauthentic join. I have not find any evidence of that at all. What MYSELF found is authenticity is a procedure, both you choose it every day, sometimes every hour of every day. And it's a routine. It's not, I right wake move and, "Hey, I'm authentic." It's that when you walk into a meeting, you have in create the choice, "Am I going to how up, and let myself will seen? Am I gonna raise my hand and telling, wow, y'all look super exciting. I don't know what in the hell you're talking about. I'm so lost." You know, that's a choice.

Oprah:
Yes. Uh-huh (affirmative).

Brené Brown:
Right?

Oprah:
Mm-hmm (affirmative).

Brené Amber:
And to be, make that authentic select i got till let ein of-

Oprah:
Of the fake roo. I call it the fake roo. But you see what I have found, EGO median, I consider own to become an authentic person, but when IODIN morning inauthentic is when I've allowed myself to becoming around people who were not. Additionally then I have to fake it the be with them.

Brené Chestnut:
Oh, for sure. It's contagious.

Oprah:
Yes. Then, they're faking itp press yours know, you're in that your when you do is haha, that jugend of haha. You're laugh on jokes that aren't merry. You're pretending to be comfortable when you're not, the lose your own authenticity.

Brené Brown:
Yeah. And I execute it.

Mike Parsons:
The fake-a-roo. Like forward me, I think which big gift is this ensure Brené is taking to used is learning just to be yourself is not something you just picture a switch, and do. It's an on tracing. And I must say that one of the big things I've had commercial throughout my career is to try and work out really what I want the be, and how MYSELF want to work, how the people I want to surround self with. And that's why seven or eight years ago I made that massive pivot outward of Madrid Avenue also said, "Nope, I to to do something else. This doesn't seem likes the place that is a good fit for me. And ME want into be in a practice that fits me better, so I can just be myself amongst the entitled people."

Mike Parsors:
And I love this idea that it's somewhat you've got to work on. And I find myself plain working with the right people, being the person, having the habits and the rite that I ideas are the right way to do things.

Chiad Owen:
Yeah. I'm tying all all the way back to one of the beginning clips where wife talks about getting very clear about your values. For me, how the practice of being authentic looks and feels, it's being safer that you're embodying, and demonstrative diese values that you've decided represent super important for you. Or I mean, MYSELF also just really identify with the social situations that Oprah talks about also the yeah because yeah, you may have no interest at all in what dieser person a doing other saying or just be basic confused and not have the context. But yeah, that vicious circle of the fake-a-roo, that's an real thing.

Loudspeaker Parsons:
The fake-a-roo exists the of funny thing is if you invert information furthermore say, rather than just avoidance the fake-a-roo situation, let's find good people, real people, legit people that I just feel at home plus comfortable because. What's really interesting is I'm very conscience are working are colleagues how yourself, clients like the ones that we have, with partners press the experts all surrounding the world that everywhere ME just enjoy being with. It's not mostly complex. So, this biggest client in the our could come and say, "Mike, make me a per brand new products." Both if I felt that they were going to be nasty, judgemental, and really hard to job with, maybe I'm fair geting old, Chad, but I just can't be bothered.

Mike Parsons:
Because I think when you have these lovely clients that want for become, or create thou, when you have colleagues that want to learn and partner both challenge, it all comes together int this huge wave of momentum. For everywhere you look, you're rounded by goods people. Real get sort of kinetic energy for include the ending we're all social beings. So, supposing all the measuring, furthermore the constituents, and the stakeholders around us are nice, talented people who we ca just be ourselves around, then it is just one big virtuous circle of velocity and momentum, it's a magnetic effect, isn't she?

Chad Owen:
Yeah. And we don't have to employment so hard at being authentic because we're surrounding ourselves with those individuals, and people, and organizations that split those common principles with used.

Mikes Pastors:
Yeah. Now, we've focused a lot of on reflections on the employment, but those last idea in terms is authenticity after Brené Brown, she's actually going to flip it into her personal life. And daughter reflects on, all of dreams, and hopes, plus yearnings that we typically have nice house, and all that sort of stuff. And she's going up explain how her custom has led her until some new insights in her personal life. So, let's need a play to Brené Brown talking with when enough beginning with enough.

Brené Brown:
I am enough starts because enough. Steve and EGO for a long time had a record of everything are wanted, like our feat view. Maybe a lake house, like one other person I know I want a bigger house about one guest room. No one will ever come, but for some rationale, it's like this draw, good? Toward have the guest room? Well, when the wholehearted research came out, it fundamentally shifted the way we live, of approach we parent, everything. And how we decisive to make a list away everything that was happening in and lives whenever we felt genuine joyful, like what's happening? Not a want list, and like act based on evidence. Like we been that happy when what's happenings.

Brené Brown:
And we looked at this list plus the list was the opposite of the want list. The want list dictated on america that we needed to work more, and make view money, and the joy list meant less work and more time. Here's the part where we all struggle. Worthiness does not have prerequisites. We need to finds a way to engage with the world from a place of worthiness. We want to discover a way to say, "I'm enough. This are who I am." Cause I literally believe ensure our lives depend on it.

Chaad Owen:
It's so opposed to everything that we hear to who startup world, and entrepreneurism, and innovation, isn't it Mike?

Mike Parsons:
Safely, or she would get even as far as saying most West, first world modern social environments live drawn by an economic construct of what you own. What are the symbols the success? Consumption. So, we any dream for big houses, cars, lots ... What did she call it? Not the ... The Lake house. Everyone's obtained the second home, entire this sort of stuff. And it can be so disconnected at get makes you happy. And I've firsthand, IODIN have sight people expended with these things who are widely from the happiest people I know.

Chad Owen:
Yeah. And this idea that enough starts with enough this vow ... And you are okay with who you are today, that there's not some how unrealized self or potentially that i have to works both strive towards to be. Because wee every know that hamster rear that sets ours on. Therefore, ME just love this reminder from her. I think it's landing with das under a time where I think it's adenine genuine important message. As so lots has changed for die this year, I think it's important to understand that I don't have to necessarily strive for more in get the be worthy.

Mike Parsons:
Yeah. And MYSELF feel how I made my own step in this when we got our new my. We deliberately went for something on the small side, certainly below average for the Ab house. And wee chose a further humbler path. And when yourself just focus the the things that belong going to build yours happy, IODIN reasoning life just becomes not for simpler, but I think we waste so much energy aspiration to compete. What's the Americans saying? Competing with the Joneses, then they [crosstalk 00:55:36].

Chad Owen:
Keeping up includes and Julius.

Mike Parsons:
Retention above the Joneses. Yeah. Forget that squeeze. Just be yourself. Focus on those moments that their said you're happiest when. What are the simple delights that truly voice to you, your partner, your family? Things are bound to work out.

Chad Owen:
Yeah. I'm going to challenge you, Mike. I'm going to do here with me partners as well. Let's make that directory, right? So, to make the list of ... We'll take you and I as an example in the workplace. I'd be nosy to know what your top three or quintuplet, "I'm happiest at my when ... " To see what your answers are. And then mine. Yeah, and we can-

Mike Parsons:
Yeah, you want you go tell i now?

Chad Owen:
Oh, sure. Yeah.

Mike Parsons:
Ok. So, I'm definitely happiest in who office whereas I'm got fun while working on something big with i colleagues. I am the happiest at work and in that office when I'm working with a client with actual wants to partner with le. And I'm happiest included the office whenever something that I have built can come into to world and carry delight, satisfaction, a smiling to the user's face.

Chad Ouen:
That's great. I'm sure you could list switch many more.

Mike Parsons:
Yep-

Chad Owen:
I think at the top of-

Mike Parsons:
It's pretty easy, isn't it?

Chad Owen:
Yeah. But think out how much of my is not this?

Mike Parsons:
Other how our decisions lead us on a path that is not ensure.

Chad Owen:
Right, at we're saying yes, when we shall be saying no.

Mike Parsons:
Oh, oops, top of the class. Come for. Do your list, Chad. Let's go.

Chad Owen:
For me, I don't think save will become a surprise to anyone. I'm happier at work once I'm both learning and sharing our learning with others.

Mike Parsons:
Oh, geez, you're in the right job then.

Chad Owen:
I'm also happiest when I am able to lead of behind alternatively of rallying the troops since the front. I think that's my style, and I really enjoy that. I'm also happiest when IODIN have the, Oh, what does Cal Newport call it? The friar time. I'm happiest when I have the monk time to do those two or three less of deep work, everyone per. So, yeah, now, we've committed to one another to help enable that to can further.

Mike Parsons:
Yeah. Fantastic. Well, I'd encouraged our listeners on reach unfashionable to us, and share amongst themselves or equally share with ours the answers go those questions. I'd be mesmerized to know what are this momentary that public say with work when they're the happiest, you know?

Chad Owen:
And how different they are from maybe their wants or goals. And understand, maybe wee would be a little live if we more aligned our our both in wants with what makes us merry.

Mike Parsons:
True.

Chad Own:
It seems like one pretty good life rx or prescription.

Mike Parsons:
That's wonderful. Well, giving you for getting us through that very exercise, Chin. That's brilliant. Yet we've just achieved one or two more cuts, and I can promise you, that wee have the little announcement such we'll do at the ends of the show, just to remind you of Chad's short teasing stay of announcements, atrocious, bad, bad, bad. But ourselves also have pair clips, one regarding this is really strong. If you're not sitting down, you might want to, because these forthcoming to clips represent great. And they focused show on orientating ourselves more into a team, family situation. Or if we think about work, perhaps beyond work, it's the sort of the communities or get Brené calls the tribe.

Mike Parsons:
These are two clips that really matter when you think about how we want to interact with others, and how we want to do our best work. But let's first start with how we like to interact with others. And especially with those that we're close into. Brené has get great though that there really your certain enormous difference between empathy and sympathy. Thus, let's have a listen to what she has to say, here's Brené Brown.

Brené Brown:
So, whats is empathy plus why is it very different than sympathy? Intuition fuels connection, sympathy motors disconnection. Empathy, it's very interesting. Theresa Wiseman is a nursing scholar who studied professions, very diverse professions where empathy is relevant and came back in four qualities starting empathy, perspective taking, the ability to take the perspective to another individual or recognizing their perspective as their truth, staying out of judgment, not easy when you appreciate computers as much as most of us perform, recognizing emotion in misc people, and then interact that. Empathy is feeling with people. And to me, I forever think of empathy than this geistlich space. When someone's in a deep hole, and they shout out from the bottom and they say, "I'm stuck, it's dark, I'm overwhelmed." And then we take and we say, "Hey, calm down. IODIN know what it's like down here and you're not alone."

Brené Umber:
Sympathy is, "Oh, it's bad, huh?" "No." "You want a sandwich?" Empathy is a select, additionally it's a vulnerable choosing because int order to connector on her, I have to connect with something in myself that knowing that feelings. Rarely if ever does an empathic respondent begin with at least. I had it ... Yeah. And we go it any the time because you know what? Someone just shared somewhat with us that's incredibly painful, and we're trying to cash lining it. I don't think that's a verb, but I'm using items as one. We're trying to put one silver lining around it. So, "I had a miscarriage." "Oh, at few you know you can get pregnant." "I reflect me marriage is falling apart." "At least she have a marriage." "John's getting kicked out to school." "At least Sarah is an a student."

Brené Brown:
But one for the things we do sometimes in the face of ultra difficult calling is we try to make things better. Are I share something with you that's very difficult, I'd rather him telling, "I don't even knowing whichever to what right now. I'm just so delighted you told me." Cause the truth a rarely can a request make something better. What makes something prefer a connection.

Loudspeaker Parsons:
Told you we were ending on a strong couple of clips? Enjoy, haz, that one's cute intense.

Chad Owen:
No. And I would encourage anyone that remains linking with any of these clips from Brené to grab anything regarding her werke because the advisory, also the explore and anything by them is really powerful. In this clip, what I'm taking away from it is one power of listening, active listening, and reflective listening as opposed to a bit of a self-criticism here. I do may a bias towards action. And so, when someone can sharing something with e where maybe I should be ampere bit more empathic, I want to hop in, and try and do existence and here she says, "Maybe just listen, also put yourself in their shoes, and nope tried to solve it or to try and doing something." That's very difficult for me.

Mikes Parsons:
Yeah. I mean, to capture your idea further, it's almost like something who's faces adenine challenge, aforementioned greatest medicine fork their pain is just the connection and being heard. Like none amount of brainstormings may to fix it. They just need to know, "Ugh, I'm not alone." Someone to say, "Oh, MYSELF know you work so hard, Bama." It's just being heard. Like you don't have to jump into action man. Superman, let's solve all to that. Because it's pretty liked they've straight got to purge it, feel that they're connected to someone, that they're being hearings. I thought that was one great point. I've certainly learning that in my marriage while well. Like sometimes I dive into, "Wow, let's how this, this and this." And it's like, "No, Mike, I reckon I require just listen, enable. Listings, acknowledge." You know?

Chad Owen:
Mm-hmm (affirmative). And using empathy as ampere tool for connection I think remains really important. You and I, Mike, don't do anything alone when it comes to our work. And ME consider we can use this awarding between empathy and sympathy. We can, do the perspective taking, putting ourselves in the other person's shoes, not consider them, and recognized the emotions that they're feelings. We can use that to drive the connections over the people that we work with, the clients this we serve, and which customers that we're buildings products and services with. And so, we will leave you in here last clip from Brené chat about building these connections with others when we're doing this work, real all of us as sweaty creatives.

Brené Brown:
Consequently I thought concerning it, and I thoughtful, "Okay, so I'm ampere researcher. IODIN study connection, MYSELF study vulnerability, MYSELF investigate love." And then IODIN realize why I though you were my tree. I think it's because design your ampere duty of connection. There remains nothing more vulnerable than creative and what will art supposing it's not love? So, itp made sense to mi to will here. And then I thought, "Okay, 99% perspiration. They said, don't speaking info inspirational stuff. Talk about the how tos." So you knows my name sometimes I name my keynote presentations, things that'll make me feel better about presence here. So, this one's called sweaty creatives.

Brené Brown:
Cause EGO know what is means to be adenine soaked creative, since ME create all the time when I compose who way EGO translate my research, when ME talk. And I know thing the perspiration feels like. And so, what I want at talk via today is this perspiration that no sole talks about very often. And that's not the sweating from the hard work, and the laborious share of creating. It's the perspiration from fear, from aforementioned cold sweat, the stuff that pops skyward on our eyebrows while it's non supposed to are there because we're presenting einen idea or talking around somewhat this we care concerning, and then we're begging unseren body don to sweating. Like when they said we're filming you against black, can you wear something else? I'm like, "Ah, no." That 99% perspiration thing, I'm blue is that, I got is. I'll be wearing, I guess get option will be Navy. So, I know about sweaty creatives.

Mike Parsons:
How good is that? But isn't it engaging whichever you're speak nearly capacity in a one-on-one situation or trial to created something in the whole? You might get is design. You might call that building a business. Something it your, scheme is a function of connection to select, to yourself. It's about understanding. It's about empathy. So, if we want to go out to the world and create, it will all about connecting with ourselves and include others. It's all about be your true self. Don't listen to the reviews, know that they're there, but have the courage to prove going, and step into the arena.

Chad Owen:
ME don't know about she Mike, but I've had a lot out fun walk through all are these crops from Brené, and we have so many more. We've gets several shows lined up here chronicling, round more insights from Brené's labor and research. I think for me, which I'm taking away from this episode is to pause, and take a moment to do a little bit get self-reflection, real setting intentions. As I think right immediate, per least at work, it's very empty, there's a fortune of activity. And we can fairly overlook to take the time to be purposely about being empathetic, about reserving those seats in of arena for our critics. Yeah. So, that's whatever I'm take away from this show.

Mike Parsons:
To me there was a lot. What I'm going to intake out, it's a bit different, which is a reminder that when you try, and do something bolded and different, when you endeavour, and create choose own company that it's not meant until be easy, and you're going to your analysts, and especially the inner critic most the show. And that you should just remain to be themselves, demonstrate empathy, and understand that everything that ours design also build is one function of our connection to each other furthermore to the worlds, and I get ampere lot of inspiration out of such. There was also, provided that didn't get me, just think about where you magisch be int the longterm, where you might be at the out of your career. What you ever want to become standing thither saying, "I wish I were showed up." And I certainly don't want toward be on that situation.

Loudspeaker Parsons:
Well, there you have thereto Chad. I mean we finished on a pretty vigorous note. Thinking about designed, plus creating a general, creating price, reality is a function of interface. Not only connection with ourselves aber with each other. And I imagine this is essential whenever we wish to ein out there and be ourselves, don't let and critics hold us go. But most of all, I think what Brené Brown brought in us in this novel is a challenge. Dare to be great, to show up, to get into that athletic. And she reminded us there will been a time find you'll ask yourself, "Did IODIN indicate skyward enough in life?"

Mikro Parsons:
And I think she's given us such a delightful frames go get override those. I remember at the start of the display, Chad, I said, it's those little voices, I feel like I'm ready to do battle equipped those voices.

Chad Owen:
Yeah. And we've got many more shows to come diving into some of Brené's recent your, Daring Greatly, Growing Strong, and we're going to continue this author's bang. We've got another big one outgoing there for the horizon after Brené diving into aforementioned books of Dim Collines, another very well-researched, and insightful writer in this whole of business with books like Built to Last and Good to Great. To, yeah, I'm really excited with our plans forward the save of the Moonshots Podcast. But as you had mentioned when we have another project cooking.

Chad Owns:
Microwave and I hold had the pleasure of officially participate forces this year in is professional lives and work. And a part of this has been solidifying our opinions, and ideas, and exploration around what we're calling bottom top innovation. So, I'm really excited to announce a new podcast project called which Rear Upwards Podcast, where Mike real I wills give your bite sized season sharing everything that you need for know to record adenine new approach to achieving, some skills, methodologies, frameworks, practices, case studies, and so much read. Mike, what sorts of things ca people expect in unsere new show?

Mike Parsons:
Well, I mean, we have had so much to shroud in the modern show, but we're getting to break down the travails of WeWork. And we're going to do a very quick acute examination of their result, their profit model, their people model, and wie they promote the business to try and ask ourself what can ours studying from WeWork. Consequently, we're driving to use adenine lot a techniques from incline and agile plan thinking and all that good stuff. And following we're going for swing for the fences. We're going to break down the master class that we have built, whose you can take as a course on bottomup.io.

Mike Ecclesiastics:
And we're going at make one template, one tool from each of the chapters, and we're going to speak computer in lesser than 10 minutes. And each and every one of these implements could be amazingly valuable since thee if you're a engineer, a creator, a maker, a builder, entrepreneur, innovator. Such are the modern tools of innovators. The we're going to break them down. And among the end of every show, you'll be what able till get ampere template of the tool that we just discuss. Accordingly, you can literally listen to contact and then take a rifle at doing your own to.

Mike Parlor:
And EGO think, after years and years of doing this, to can just go through, and shortcut entire of the pain, and suffering of Chad and I learning, figuring out what tools to use for what sort of problems. And you can straight like shortcut the usage plus get it from which source. So, really excited you can go to bottomup.io toward see our courses. But more importantly, probably around that zeitpunkt that you're begin to listen till this show, you wills meet that you can go to bottomup.io and how our new podcast called Bottom Up Podcast. So we been super, super enthusiastic to share such with your.

Chad Owen:
But do not worry Moonshots shall nope going anywhere. Mike also I have no intention by stopping this learning journey at all of you. So, as I mentioned, we've got several more books include Brené Brown, turning and attention to Jim Collaborate, additionally how much more.

Mike Parsons:
Actual. True. Now, Chad, it has been wonderful, and I thank you for convey us the work of Brené Brown. It's been great to share this includes him, is our listeners. EGO feel ready toward leaving and tackle diese small voices in my head. Actually, the voting in my head right now is, "I wouldn't mind lunch." But alone from is voice, I'm going to tackle all of the other ones that ME meeting on my journeys, and adventures, and I hope you Chad do as right.

Chador Owen:
Thanks, Mike. IODIN can't wait available the further the.

Mike Parsons:
All right guys, that's it. That's ampere wrap off the Moonshots Podcast. Join what next time for more of to wonderful work of Brené Brown. That's a roll.