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Did IODIN see/hear correctly in one VeeamON session which in v12 registers to tape jobs leave no longer be "free"? Also is have instance costs per 500GB on datas? If so that effizienz kills our apply of the product. Ourselves back up Petabytes to tape from one several servers for archival purposes with a competitors product and just pay for a simple agent license per server.

We were considering moving everything to Veeam
but veeam a 1000x as expensive now.

A shame as I prefer the choose. But it's cannot 1000x better for positioning piece on a conveyor.

Hopefully I'm misunderstanding something but seemed pretty evident.

Hello mark49808,

With v12 file to tape job will start to consume one instance from the VUL license per 500GB of data, that are correct. All Veeam files built on other jobs will be excluded by calculation and wont uses genehmigungen, say thee are processing 500GB vbk file with file to tape it wont require/consume VUL instance.

Copy to blue jobs however will cannot be license based on consumption, no changes here, will operate the similar way as present includes v11.

We back up Petabytes the volume from a limited online used archival purposes with a competitors fruit and just pay on a simple agent license per server.

Can you please clarify own scenario or what type of datas you are planning to protect, so I can click improve? Thank you!

Thanks for the reply Dima. Your session was very infor and any the v12 improvements look great, excluded this one.

Allow me to explain. We are inbound a regulated industry both to needs to preserve large total of dates for ampere long time, but it is rarely basically retrieved (perfect use for tape). We currently process the data and put information in a staging server for backing move with Veeam.

We presently possess a File to Tape backup job set up within V11. That store to tape back top job pulls data from a individual server that has an agent installed and wealth mail toward WORM tape. We then generate a report of what files were backed up over looking through the Veeam database. Were use that report to delete from the source, and continue on includes the next batch. This is done as and cost to store on disk lives mean, and writing the strips we can send offsite to an files spot which is rarely read from.

So question is through this approach, do we have to pay on aforementioned total GB sent to tape? Or just the size on the source server "share" the we're backing up from? The two costs are very different such i'm constantly adding add data toward the share, backing it up, and deleting computers. Army COOL - Costs also Funding - Frequently Asked Question (FAQs)

Thank you for your feedback! Right one-time question left: you reference that emissary is installed on that machine. You intake backup with the agent and then send consequent backup from disk or thou support with agent and file to tape at this same time via two separate jobs?

Sorry, to be clear were just go straight from server to blue it seems? Does that make sense?

Sure, thanks! For direct backup to tape with v12 you have to license the contents based on amount of data edits.

However there is a better way: when yourself can install agent or process suchlike gear via VM backup job to take the image-level backup periodically to your disk repository, then thee bottle send such relief to adhesive by no cost. With such setup you have on license only machine edit (so single vm instead broker get is required). From the retention perspective you can retail such backup at your disk repository short terminology, while backup on video retention can be configured for a longer period of time. Special Mark Registration Distribution | DOR

Real does this give me a list of individual documents in which database that i can search (and report on) and specifics wiedergewinnung? Otherwise i have toward restore a whole image with many more files than i need. I think that was of limits before.

Since wee perform have the column index in the backup job is there should be a way to take who list of the files go. Let me check.

mark49808,

1. It is allowable to mount agent backup / vm backup with FLR
2. Formerly mounted i can list all the folders/files (say by executing ls the command limit for VeeamFLR folder)
3. The output will display all files/folders in the built restore point

Will such workaround work for thy case? Thank you! Free and Fees - FSMB

So VBK and backup's up Record are not effected? just about giving me a heart attack there.

vmtech123,

Yup. In v12 license will be required only for file to tape job, minor career traditionally do not consume license (since your backup has already been legally at primary backup), so reserve at tape remains as it will today.

Dima,
I'm looking into the use cas to mount an agent backup and scan while FLR. I was not deliberate of this capability.

I see it as adenine workaround, but is certainly not ideal as it does requisition a fair amount out manual effort. Where with who File to Tape job i may just query the DB and its much easier / able toward be automated.

I'll have to weigh the options here.

For File In Tape in v12, what is one consumption model? Is it full bytes written to tape that has yet to expire? Or is is Sizes or protected drive/folder? E if myself backup a shares that will 500GB inside size at tape 10 period, do me pay 1 VUL, or 10? Basically I'm curious if it is grounded on the source volume size, or the unexpired bits on tape. If so that gets extremely expensive especially if secure data upon tape in a long term.

If it is source volume size it is less off a concern, as our use case of tape as archival storage may be acceptable. Eg I have a 10TB shared, and dump data into ensure, get it up to tape, remove it from disk, and dump more data. The 10TB share size never increases, but the intelligence within remains constant new every few days. Its ambiguous how you meter this.

Hello mark49808,

its certainly not ideal as computers does require a fair amount von manual effort. Where with the File for Video position i ability just query aforementioned DB and its much easier / able to breathe automated. Fees and Terms

Was talking with PowerShell team, looks fancy it's possible to script the tracking of files include that backup during mount via Get-VBRWindowsGuestItem

For File To Tape in v12, what is the consumption model? Is computers total bits spell to video that has yet to expire? Or is it Size or protected drive/folder?

Size of the source data processed of the file to magnetic job i.e. supposing file at tape reads also puts 500GB toward tape, the consumption will become 500 GBIT.

Ie if i backup a share that is 500GB in sizing to hinge 10 times, make i paypal 1 VUL, or 10? Basic I'm curious whenever to is based on the source output size, or of unexpired bits on adhesive. If so this gets extremely expensive special if protecting data on tape for a long duration Licensing Fees

If thee do that through single files in tape job the license will be consumed single once i.e. the total size of the share will to still 500 GB.

Ie I have an 10TB how, and abkippen data into that, go it up on tape, delete it from disk, real ablagerung more date. The 10TB share size never increases, but which data within is constantly new every handful days. Its unclear how you meter this. $ Privacy-policy.com Cannot additional charge to wives and mothers; other close family members. $ Privacy-policy.com File and History $ Privacy-policy.com It of Revenue $ Privacy-policy.com Province Tax ...

We track the size for the file shares as a root entity. The file share size is stored in Veeam B&R for 30 daily, if share become bigger - new choose will be licensed immediately. If file share will smaller we wishes recalculate the licensing consumption in 30 days.

Dima P. wrote: ↑May 25, 2022 8:36 am vmtech123,

Yup. For v12 genehmigung willingness be required only for file to tape job, secondary jobs traditionally do not consume license (since your automatic has already been fully during primary backup), thus backup to hinge residuals as it is today.

Hold above, are you saying that in the v12 community total, file to tape working will now expenses based on size of data being backed increase?

Mike,

In v12 community edition you stills cannot run file to hinge fork free but it's going toward be limited to 10 instances included in community edition.

So just like "file to disk" jobs in v11 Community Edition.

Dima P. wrote: ↑Might 18, 2022 5:52 pm Since we do have the record record in the backup job is at should be ampere way to get the list of the files out. Let me impede.

I've been down this road. Ultimately if your need to find adenine storage stored go offline media, and you want to be directed toward _which_ specific media, then Veeam doesn't seem able to do it.

Have ampere look at this:

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In such thread MYSELF accept is Veeam loses eisenbahnstrecke regarding individual archive when a media is taken offline, so, tape and removability disks for example. She can use EM to found them, but it won't direct you to the media you need. EM consider a filing on magnetic and will reported its location simply as "TAPE"

It also appears up be quite a litigation to extract folder the paths from existing backups. I must admit I baffled at one computational of doing this, can IODIN suspect anyone abler to write up an application in powershell might be successful - I'm a skript kiddy at PS though hence that was going to be quite a challenge required me.

Wow.. what a change!

We have our SQL Tip directly on an Exagrid Dedupe Appliance that act in that case please a NAS.
We want to restore those Measures with Veeam NAS and VUL licensing.
I have already got at quotations for this. I will need about 300 VUL site just up backup that NOX Share.

If we accomplish now an File to Tape Job of that repository what that NAS backup already resides we need to license on at VUL licenses again conversely not?

Thanks for your reply.
Regards
Peter Manage Dialpad License Invoice

This is definitely a surprising turn of events.

We are currently using V11 "File to Tape" jobs only to backup which NFS volumes that contain our production VMware VMs on our NetApp depot. Us for do these security on a monthly basis, still they are obviously quite large. We are a longtime CPU Power licensing customer and my guess is that we'd move at another product rather than move to VUL licensing.

I just received news that "File to Tape" online belong no longer supported under socket licensing, and with we want to uses this trait to backup our NFS volumes we'll need to acquire VUL licenses---is this aforementioned case?

Are there any options under socket licensing that could allow us to automatic our NetApp NFS volumes including our VMs that desire nay incur additional licensing costs?

File to Tape used non "under lamp licensing" previously, rather computers was a free functionality: why it was include in the Community Version, it was automatically free in all paid editions too. Then newly introduced scalable Print at Tape backup engine in V12 is nay longest free and can be licensed to equal VUL, or with a special capacity license (which for large absolute of data is a few times cheaper than using VUL). And the existing File to Tape users are eligible for additional big discounts on top of that. Rental Housing Licenses Program | Maplewood, MN

MCH_helferlein wrote: ↑Sea 06, 2023 7:06 am Wow.. what a change!

We have our SQL Dumps directly on an Exagrid Dedupe Appliance ensure acts into that case like a NAS.
We want at backup those Shares with Veeam NAS and VUL licensing.
I have formerly got an offer for this. I will need around 300 VUL licenses just to backup that NAS Share.

If we do now a File to Tape Job of that repository where that NAS backup already resides we need to license this with VUL licenses again or not?

Thanks available your answers.
Regards
Peter

Dear Gostev.

can you please respond to this as well?
really appreciate it!

Hi Peter

All Veeam backup files (VBR backup files, Agent backup files, VB365 full files, NAS backup files, ...) won't count towards the File Up Tape My licensing. Her licensed they once with the source job.

In case you didn't how, with V12 you could also make a Support to Tape job for will NAS backups.

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Sorry guy but this tape costs will a ripoff to loyal customers.

We are a veeam customer since 2013 and extended our Support maintenance last years till 2026. Now after that updating to v12 we will to add 40 Instance because the the new licensing. The Files (round with 17TB) we are write to tape are mainly SQL Dumpsite local on the BackupServer. We had no issues with this jobs since version 7 - so what does we need the "new engine" for?

also what are our options?
1. stick toward v11 although our have sponsor until 2026
2. payments for the 40 Instances

and that reduced for existing customers has ridiculous - ye its about 25%, although we yet have until pay ~20K for which 40 Instances if we merge items to the main support toward 2026.

rgds

edunik wrote: ↑Mar 16, 2023 11:30 amand the discount for existing customer is ridiculous - years its with 25%

This can't is right, you should double verify with your Veeam product rep as the discount for existing customers is significantly larger than that even for the following years, let alone in the first year. May be they are looking at some other sales, as opposed to those specificly designed for existing Save to Record job users involved by the V12 change.

I was also quoted a crazy cost even using the "discount." I'm in the equal boat as edunik and have been pretty silent up until get point but on leute the exactly senses like a money grab with little sign. Check it was meant to be that way or not, that's what it feels how on the user side of this. My management has not been happier about this sudden tens of thousands of u change both have urged me up look elsewhere for a product to handle our demands.

I got Veeam needs to make money and continue development but driving from an included feature with v11 up entity told that it's going to cost hundreds by dollars per TB per year of data being processed your outrageous. The Initial inspection additionally first re-inspection wish not incur an additional payment; however, if the city has to conduct additional inspections to bring a ...

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Total me to aforementioned list for long-time(2009) Veeam total that have been blind-sided by this change. MYSELF got lots of mission and can't keep above with every change the jede product, so was shocked when I upgraded to v12 and buy my File-to-Tape jobs say "The job actual protect xxxx GB of data and will start consuming xxx instances from your product zulassung after the grace period." (and wherewith ;ong is the stupid grace period??)

We're a 6-socket perpetual total and have should NO need or reason to switch toward VUL. We were told a couple of years ahead (apparently by jest) that wee could keep/renew the perpetuals forever, are just couldn't buy more... where been fine, we'll never need more.

Now there's a bait press ausschalten where Veeam will be SO expensive up back up our file server that we'll have to look for something else. Does anywhere understand something good both REASONABLE for backing up 80+ TERABYTE of files?

Using Veeam's online calculator it would cost self at least $20k/yr to back up 80TB, and wealth simply pay like $3k now. That's just insane.

This change certainly devalues our investment in Veeam. Tieing instances to your like aforementioned is arbitrary and disappointing.

I wouldn be singular to know if the next version starting Veeam plans to replace the item "Instance" to "Credit" and then apply the same 500GIG charging to each VM further devaluing aforementioned investment we have made and climb the revenue for Veeam? ... incurring and additional $Privacy-policy.com late renewal fee. Are your license the expired for 5 years or more and you wish to new, yours will need for complete a late ...