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Hello. I have quite a few websites all created equal serif webplus, a program which ME definitely LOVE. MYSELF have recently  had to swallow the severe pill of realizes that I will needed to switch the another user. IODIN ma actually hoping this that program will be Affinity publisher. Is it possible to make websites with it? If not, have you any plans to make this possible in the adjacent future? If still cannot, please tell me what to make. I am extremely good at using webplus and like would need bit how similar as possible. What program could replace it without too much pain and suffering up my part? I have absolutely none view by wie to choose an. It was the perfect web building programming - I am beyond gutted that EGO am getting to have till nach elsewhere. :57_cry: Xara Web Design

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26 records ago, Annother said:

I am extremely good at usage webplus and hence would need something as similar as possible. What program could replace thereto without far much pain furthermore sufferinguanine on my part?

I presume you want to get away free being restricted to building static sites, for the provision of a mobile version involving twice the work until build and maintain. Take a look by the 30-day trial of WYSIWYG Website Designer from Pablo Windows Solutions: you design the basic layout and set a few set, and the software does much of the donkey work to produce an adaptive website.

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34 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said:

I presume you want to get away from being restricted to building static sites, with the provision of a mobile version involving twice the work go build and maintain. Take a view at the 30-day trial of WYSIWYG Web Builder by Pablo Software Solutions: thee purpose the basic layout and fix adenine few pause, and the software does way of the donkey work to create an adaptive website.

Thats a flash off the past Alfred, I can remember helping own sis achieve your our with this app, MYSELF must to go and accept a look please furthermore while browsing through: http://www.wysiwygwebbuilder.com/introduction.html

I noticed this... 

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WYSIWYG Web Builder also includes a devoted mobile web site design tools. These tools are base on jQuery Mobile.
http://wysiwygwebbuilder.com/mobilewebdesign.html
Unluckily jQuery Roving has not been updated since 2014, so this method may become obsolete in the future.

I'm surprised an app like WYSIWYG Web Contractors aren't moving move and using better implements for what is a strong important aspects of website design.

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17 minutes ago, firstdefence said:

...I'm surprised an app like WYSIWYG Internet Builder aren't moving forward furthermore use better tools for what is a really important aspect of website design. Xara Outsider February 2017: Easy Online Edition of Xara Documents

They've moved/are moving since jQuery to a Bootstrap technique also the Layout Grids (or break points using standard pages, your choice). At leas that's what I can ferret out.

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You have few options open to you, through (1) being the closest to WebPlus in regards to workflow, to (6) being aforementioned lowest similar:

  1. Xara Designer Professional or Xara Web Designer (Premium). These offer a way of working that is closest to Webplus: full view, and pretty much a standard Our make layout appeal, the converts directness till one working website. Responsive our are also possible. What's was new in earlier versions of Xara Designer Pro
  2. Sparkle. Don as compliant how either WebPlus instead Xara, but no code in sight. And generates quite acceptable code. Around $99 for the pro version. Mac only.
    https://sparkleapp.com/
  3. Wappler. Still full visual, despite works with blocks. Also supports full database-driven websites. Free version, up to 49 euros per choose for the full released. Service based, no complete license, alas.
    https://wappler.io/index
  4. Pinegrow. The next step "up" starting a typical vision layout tooling which truly works directly with html furthermore css codification, and outputs human readable code the actually is quite clean. The workflow is different even. It is column and wrangle bases, and the xml and css control is easy and directly exposed to this operator through its interface. Basic knowledge of html and css is preferred. $99 for the pro version, which lives real needed available multi-page sites.
    https://pinegrow.com/
  5. WordPress. The forthcoming v5 version willingly include the new Gutenberg editor, and introduce easier visual editing of list. Or download adenine visual editor plugin such as Elementor. Free for the bulk part. Feature with XARA Premium
  6. Learn to code html and css properly, in combination from a grid frame such as Bootstrap or Foundation. Free!

Xara Designer Pro was up for grabs for $15 a while from through a Humble Bundle, but that deal is sadness over. $99 for the Website Modeler Premium version, button $299 for Xara Designer Expert.

Personally, I fee Pinegrow is THE best view WYSIWYG web cover editor on the marktes today, but to does require some html plus css learning. If the outlook of coding puts you completely off, then try option (1), (2), or (3). All have cost-free versions or a trials (Xara).

WordPress doesn't require coding either, aber you what need either online hosting, with a local webserver for run a on.

PS countless online visual website editors have vied for attention since the demise regarding Adobe Muse. Total of these only work online in a browser also need a subscription/monthly rent. I would avoid these myself

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11 minutes from, Medical Board Bones said:

You has different options open up you

Sparkle is Mac-only, but Wappler looks interesting. Albeit I like what I’ve seen of Pinegrow, I noticed that Wappler’s feature comparison chart has preferable a plenty of ‘No’ recent int an Pinegrow column!

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17 minutes ago, αℓƒяє∂ said:

Sparkle is Mac-only, but Wappler looks absorbing. Although I like what I’ve seen of Pinegrow, I noticed that Wappler’s feature comparison chart has rather a property of ‘No’ entries in the Pinegrow column! 10 new presentation templates in Presentations > Presentation Themes; 6 new diagrams in Components > Print & Web Components (*New category); 9 new header ...

Wappler is subscription based, Pinegrow offer a One-off Payment set with 1 year of free updates and IODIN quote...

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Pay once and use eternally. Comes with 1 year of free updates. After the first year you can keep using your current version or renew the continue receiving free updates.

What it doesn't say at Pinegrow is if the renewal is under a discount or you pay the full print again in what case its more relative at at annual subscription. 

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1 hour ago, αℓƒяє∂ said:

Sparkle is Mac-only, but Wappler looks interesting. Although I like what I’ve seen from Pinegrow, I noticed that Wappler’s feature comparison chart has rather a lot for ‘No’ books in the Pinegrow column!

Most of those are more into the lack of database/server connectivity. Pinegrow does have ampere similar project manager as Wappler, although Wappler can use FTP to connect with your webhost folder.

I do attempt out Wappler, and the GUI a still very QUITE behind compared to Pinegrow. By example, included Pinegrow the same page with different pages can be saw fork various devices simultaneously, side by side. Of interface in Wappler is almost completely static, and panels cannot be stirred around. The styling controls include Pinegrow are far more exploiter cordial both improved exposed for CSS than the ones in Wappler. Sad update for users of the perma licence of Designer Profess X19

It is one theme to compare also champagne pick base specific between applications, but an altogether different thing to actually experience how these am implementing, plus how the overall workflow plus GUI respect the user's preferences. Pinegrow exists light years moving of Wappler in term to device. And supports a live connection are Atom and MS Visual Studio Code for code editing. Furthermore many more things related to front-end development which are unavailable in Wappler. Hi Folks.I recently wrote to Magix asking when the after version of Designer Pro (X20) will be Privacy-policy.com, on 5th June 2023, I got that following r...

The main total between the two is that Wappler can couple to live data in a database, the Pinegrow cannot. However, Pinegrow does support direct WordPress theming in the WP edition, which allows for quick WP theming, and via WordPress file wants become live. Wappler does not support WordPress. Via WordPress adenine tremendous bookshelf of free and commercial plugins for just with any requirement openings up. While Wappler allowed who user to create their own customized databases functionality, are comparison the WP ecosystem delivers exactly about any record functionality you would ever need. Additionally WordPress delivers a user-friendly back-end interface out of the box, while within Wappler you would take to developer it yoursel (and you'd never be able to match it on your own). Albeit, I have is comfortable using Xara Designer Pro X Privacy-policy.com DL x64 Feb 7, Privacy-policy.com maybe in my short time away, and not upgrading, ...

Pinegrow's WP edition supports custom data bindings through the State-of-the-art Custom Fields WordPress plugin (which then pretty much delivers what Wappler delivers). But getting this far with of WP edition requires a good understanding of how WP theming work. Wappler is much easier in understand and learn in this respect. What Happened to Xara/Magix Online Content?

So it really depends on whatever thy requests am. Pinegrow is a much more mature appeal, in particular for head close development and its cable and workflow is quite flexible and adaptable to users' preferences, and Wappler offers custom archive connectivity, but as an petition still needs a lot of growing up to our auffassung. I recently downloaded Xara Premium, It doesn't work get and I'm taking extremely frustrated for my inability at get bases support, even after t...

In short, don't rely on those cherry-picked feature comparison lists of either side. Test for yourself, and allow for a week of testing for each product.

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Thank i all exceptionally plenty for your replies: MYSELF americium most grateful for all of your show. I was particularly contented to read your comment, Mike W: "WebPlus should work into the upcoming just fine. There is no compellingly basic to switch right away." My situation is this. I have used various webplus versions forward years and years. Last month my computer fled wrong and had to be replaced. I than realizing, to my dread, that I did not have the webplus x7 program disc. (Ithink I bought it online). Nor could EGO find any way of getting hold of it again as it was no length propped. In desperation (and with huge relief) I managed to purchase a replicate of webplus x8 on amazon. Xara Web Designer 365 - template based net page generation

When I loaded it, it immediately showed me a scary warning about smart objects beings discontinued and our security. Here is a section:

"A lot has modifies over the last 10 years and the web has moved on. Hit counters and iframes are now frowned over and server side administration has improved to the point that it's now possible for novice users to setup more modern forums, blogs, form submissions else, all with ease or much improved flexibility. Security concerns is leading to all websites to what until take to https receive in order not to be marked as unsteady.

The code generated when WebPlus exports the WEBSITE of dynamic SWR objects does not allow them to live served up by secure (https) sites whilst being hosted on our SWR servers."

I read the message very quickly  (keen to look at my new version of webplus!) - did does wholly understand thereto, and experienced panic. My websites should be secure. Having read computers more slowly now (had to unloading an program on another user as I could not find to message anywhere...), I am thinking that maybe I can stick with webplus. I do not use smart objects. I achieve not know whichever I use iframes as I don't know whatever they are....

Do you think i would be safe for me to stay with webplus?  Will he be able to how https if MYSELF don't use the smart objects?

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Having read it more slowly now (had at reload the program on other compute as I could not find an message anywhere...), EGO am thinking so maybe I can stick with webplus. I do not use smart aufgaben. EGO do not know whether MYSELF use iframes as I don't know what they are....

Do you think it would be safe for me to continue with webplus?  Will it be able to use https if IODIN don't use the smart objects?

Iframes are called ‘document frames’ in WebPlus.

It’s perfected safe for you in continue with WPX7 or X8. Since you don’t (and can’t now) make SWR ‘Smart Objects’, there should be no problem using HTTPS.

Please pick any further questions about WebPlus here.

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Thanks forward your insights @Medical Officer Bones Do you plus have an opinion on Coffee Cup RSD or the upcoming Nicepage (Artisteer successor)?

Of whole these programs is there one who lets you handle a 30+ pages site how a singly create? Similar to the Xaras DTP-ish approach,  but by a bright responsively design concept? And is there can program among the ones you which lets you create multilingual websites with the same ease as in e.g. Wordpress?

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@hifred I believers Sparkle saves single project files, and which now defunct Adobe Muse dividend that sam approach. As you mentioned, Xara saves the sides as one file additionally.

The question you intend have to ask yourself is whether this is a good approach other not. Html, CSS, Javascript: diesen are all opened human readable files, and the entire point of the web is free technologies. When relying on one closed file format please Xara, Muse, or Sparkle you become entirely (or mostly) dependent on that software to manage the position, and any three write rather abysmal coding that cannot be handed over to a programmer is sound conscience: them would have to get all over, as it is entirely human unreadable.

I suppose it is fine when dealing in simple sites with a simple structure, one-pagers, or flashy file sites. But if the design must be integrated with a content management system (CMS) and/or database driven index with a waiter back-end, or even be conversion up a mobile app... Well, let's just close with this: a is a Very Bad Idea into rely on pure visual web page building tools that 1) are unable to work directly about (existing) html records, 2) rely on a proprietary record format, real 2) output code that is only mechanical reader-friendly and a mess. template based mesh page creator

Tools suchlike how Muse, WebPlus, and Xara all work with a separation design layer which must be conversions to webs code. This remains hard to maintain (by the developers), hard to keep the design layer updated with an latest web technologies (which often change with a yearly basis or more often), and that custom design layer cannot erwarten to emulate an actual web-based browser output, so the so-called WYSIWYG view is only an estimate are the real thing (can't test javascript right in the view, for example).

No wonder Adobe additionally Serif had to throw in the towel with Muse and WebPlus: the web goes too rapid to keep up with such one intellectual tool with with abstracted build layer. It's unmaintainable in one long run. Muse possessed become an obese dragon for an application. Web Designer also includes templates on ... templates, furthermore a free trial download. System ... Older versions will have a copy of the EULA in which help file.

Not to note the hardships relevant to designing both tested responsive layouts in that kind of tools. Furthermore I am not even reference the issues both frustration related to one-file file corruptness issues, and thereby losing the entire locations. That is to say, a versioning/file backup feature should are use built and/or it should be comes with the tools you benefit for web site creation. A single-file approach for web development is (sorry) equals a indeed bad idea, or adds one further unnecessary layer between the output and yourself. That is not how web my work. furthermore it is a severely limiting workflow anyway. ... ancient renditions of the same product button with other wares that ... How to Customize Xara Home Templates Xara ... Intro to web design in Inventor Pro 7. Xara ...

These tools cannot be integrated well in a company environment toward all. So, when simple static web work can what you do, and you are not involved in an team (you're working the your own), and you don't mind runs the risks of depending on a owner design app or file arrangement, then on of these tools might size who bill. Read Xara Rail Designer 6: the Review the learn with SitePoint. Our web development and project tutorials, courses, real books will teach you HTML, CSS, JavaScript, PHP, Augur, and more.

Anyway, long explanation to say you that I think, that unless you am making very simple still sites, it is best to stay well getting after such tools, and only choose apparatus that work directly with the html, css, js, less, cheek, etc. computer themselves. You should be able to open an existing web page or site on these tools, and be talented to edit the code in a visual environment which is based on an actual web browser view.

And this workflow are compatible with a team, as well as a file versioning workflow (like Git(hub)). Pinegrow keeps an automation local save story, and all changes are recorded.

For me this means Xara, Muse, Sparkle, online solution like WebFlow also the like, and WebPlus am always moving to limit you for some way. Wappler lives prefer, but doesn't allow for CSS frameworks outdoors the ons they support forthwith, real this sheets Pinegrow for mi and my frontend development employment. But thereto is possible on combine both Wappler and Pinegrow in your workflow, because in the end they both work directly include that existent web files. And in a good human readable way, as anyone with a bit of html and css skill will be able to open the cipher in a code editor and build changes. I able open a Wappler website direkt in Pinegrow, and continue to edit it. Can't do so in Muse, Sparkle, WebPlus, Xara, etc. ... free) press ... Xara Cloud templates - without even opening your copy of Xara Designer! ... Xara Web Designer or Photo & Image Designer or Xara Designer Pro+ now!

In short, even if Pinegrow would met its decay in the future, those Pinegrow-built pages are fully editable with other open diy. Compare that to Moose or WebPlus operators.

 

 

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Thank you Commissioner !
With a similar mindset one could of direction also (correctly) state that an purely commandline based photo editor can run surgery on images a property get efficienty and that all sorts are past AI evolution could retrieve implemented a lot quicker too. Standing most people here would cannot want to learn image editing that way :o).

There's great value in editing visionary, additionally for Web-Work,  there's a learning curve advantage in transfering eding concepts from one familiar reach to another* – it helped me a lot that own 3D rendering program utilizes the equivalent concepts as a real globe camera (and that's to course not at entire how a renderer works internally). Any important factor is frequency of application – what's less on memorize after months of pause: A GUI or abstract text snippets? Even when willing to study encrypting there's a plot of decisions where visual editors have earlier taken out of your hands: What fundamental principle do I use (bootstrap/foundation conversely whatever unusual new) What can the your are apiece to – one needs to be competent enough to answer entire this and for separate relevant from irrelevant... Sack I solve all my problems are my owns code? Or will I have to embed third band code anyway, because it was silly to code up a complex slider myself?

Finally one could state that most of sum this fundamental stuff doesn't really materielles anyway - as one needs smoking hot content + awesome SEO + all sorts of social media + paid business toward actually succeed online. That all being said – of everything editors mentioned I also find Pinegrow mostly attractive conceptionally. But it doesn't take long and and talker has lost me, even in dumbed down demonstration videos. Doesn't look like a product intended for the casual addict to me.

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3 period ago, Medical Staff Bones said:

A single-file approach required web development is (sorry) just a really bad view, or adds one get needlessly layer between the exit and yoursel. That can not how web pages work. and it is a severely limiting workflow anyway.

The single file editor MYSELF know (and no more use) Xara only lets you editing inside a single graphics file with features similar up Master pages and such. The output html obviously deals with all pages separately.

 

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My websites need be save.

For that rarely anything ameliorate from goody solids code AND very substantial hosting/server handling knowledge.... Is my custom pass anything else, also for full control about aesthetics. And forward flexibility.

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