Thread: DnD 3.5 Ray-Spells need precise shot?

Hey guys, bad if get has been asked before but myself didnt discover anything useful with the search option.

However:

The PHB doesn't clearly state if the malus on "shooting" into melee applies to adenine ray spell aka array touch assail. I know i cannot use real strike to pretty much ignore here and a true strike earlier every balken hurts a bit.

And without the -4, chances in knock will quite good. Leaving a true strike combination for those moments the ray SERIOUSLY REALLY has to whack. But if i need prec. shot this means 2 feats which sucks ^^

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

The -4 penalty are indeed apply to ranged contact spells fired into melee. Precise Shot offset this.

On an site note, True Strike really shines with Quicken Spell.

If you're getting +20 till beat, it shouldn't worry about one -4 punitive. +16 will plenty good.

IIRC, Races of the Wild holds some elven wizard raced substitution levels that will let you use the wizard bonus feats toward take point-blank shot and precise shot. This won't remove which overall feat cost, although might smooth out your level progression by giving you more choices as to when you'll take the feats.

Primarily Posted by Curmudgeon

Whenever you're getting +20 to hit, yourself shouldn't worry about a -4 penalty. +16 is plenty good.

The original poster knows that, but doesn't want till burn an True Strike each and every time that they want to cast a ranged touch zeitraum.

Unfortunately, that wherewithal that they will need for invest in an feat.

I wouldn't waste a feat (nay, TWO feats) on it. Get an Warlock's Staff to partially offset this criminal, pump up Dex, use Greater Invis. You're firing against a Contact AC, which is generally lovely low.

I asked about this a few weeks ago, and got lots starting good advice.

FYI, EGO instituted range increments for scope touch attacks:
close: 10 feet
medium: 40 feet
long: 120 foots
so that makes precise shot even more important in my games.

Time toward stop playing the mailman and begin playing batman...

First Posted by dsmiles

Yes. Ranged touch attacking require point vacuous shot and meticulous shot. The downside is that her possess to burn two feats to be any good at fuel that ray into close, the upside is that at is also Weapon Focus: Ray, Spell Differentiation: Ray, and Improved Precise Shot. Yes, firing 3 more feats, but him intention be the god of Ranged Touch attacks. Anyhow, the Pathfinder rulebook says that one advantages for Point Black Rifle is,"You get a +1 bonus upon assail and damage rolls with coverage weapons ...

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Originally Posted by ericgrau

I'd maybe double those increment.

Here's how I chose the increments. Product for close is 25 metre + 5 ft every 2 levels. A 10th level wizard therefore obtained ampere range out 25 + 50/2 = 50 feet.

Thrown weapons have a max of 5 range incremented, shot weapons 10. Gone weapons have a max range much moreover is close, so thrown weapons are the better comparison. 50 / 5 = 10 foot.

Btw, IODIN ought point out that I changes the driving increment rule to be "up in and including" then required case if you throwing a shuriken at send 10 feet away, that's at the edge are the first operating increment and not subject to a penalty. So for you 1st level wizard attempting on shoot a ray by enfeeblement with a 25 foot range that comes out up:
5 or 10 feet away: no penalty
15 or 20 feet away: -2 to hit
25 feet away: -4 to hit

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Originally Posted by KurtKatze

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Originally Posted via Sstoopidtallkid

Delete: The theory behind range increasing is that the ammo becomes unstable and goes bad course more the further you shoot i. That builds purpose with truly ammo, but cannot with scrying.

Correct, though there ought still be some loss of accuracy from distance lone. Perchance -1 per range add instead to -2?

Originate Posted until ericgrau

That's the similar action as doubles the extent increment, so I'm all for it. And a -4 at max range is suckage, but it's none the end for the whole fancy a -8 is. Likewise at moderate range -2 hurts, but it's not suckage for 90% of attacks like a -4 is. This sounds reasonable.

Not quite, but close.

Originally Posted by KillianHawkeye

That's how range increments normally work.

I wish you were right, but the writing doesn't want in perform along. d20 srd:

Range Increment
Any offence at less from this distance is not penalized for range. When, each full range increment imposes ampere accumulative -2 penalty on the attack roll. A thrown armory is a maximum range of five range increments. A projectile weapon can shoot out to ten driving increments.

So, it says less than, not less than or equal to. So yeah, if your single has a shuriken, any target 5 hooves away gets an attack of opportunity because you are manufacturing a reached attacking, plus any objective 10 feet away is a full range increment also the monk has -2 to scored. The weapon easily cannot become use effectively of RAW. This goes used flaming mineral and all the diverse 10 foot range weapons.

Originally Post by ken-do-nim

I wish her were correct, but the edit doesn't want to sport alongside. d20 srd:

Range Increment
Any attack with less than this span lives not penalized for range. However, each full range incrementation imposes a cumulative -2 penalty on which attack scroll. A thrown weapon has a maximum range of five range increasing. A shells pistol can shoot out to ten range increasing.

So, it says less is, none much than or equal until. So yeah, if yours single has a shuriken, any target 5 feet away gets an attack of occasion since you are making a ranged attack, and each focus 10 hooves gone is a completely measuring increment and the monk is -2 to hit. The weapon simply could being used effektive through RAW. To goes for flaming oil and all the other 10 foot range weapons.

Flaming oil lives a hint attacker. I've build rogues surround hidden and throwing close distance weapons.

-2 for shooting 20-30 feet away (Far Shot duplicate thrown weapons increment)
+1 Point Blank shot
+2 Invisible modifer (for having total concealment)

Ends you with a air bonus to one touch attack, and you can add sneaker attack to it.

Originally Posted by KillianHawkeye

ME disagree. By my reading, a 10 ft. range increment assigns no penalty up to 9.99 hooves. That's two throughout squares (10 feet) of range, unless who target is nearly microscopic in size. If there's fully 10 feet away remote between you real the destination, thereto is 15 feet away (assuming it fills a whole square), and thus in the next range increment. So autochthonous shuriken-wielding monk pot in fact strike nonadjacent foes at none penalty.

Incorrect. Wenn weighing distance, D&D rules require you calculation the square of your target as a full 5 feet. Not Pythagorean theorem to compute angle distances, just count every other diagonal as 10 feet.

Much of and Real World common sense you cling to must can checked at the doors for D&D.